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By: personal-loans

personal-loans — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:36:15 +0000

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By: mike_brewer

mike_brewer — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:53:21 +0000

“First to fight for right and freedom and to keep our HONOR clean; We are proud to claim the title of United States Marine.”

By: mорское

mорское — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:50:26 +0000

i agree mike. this is not the forum for the back and forth.

as the old saying goes, argue with a fool long enough and soon people begin to wonder who the fool is.

By: mорское

mорское — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:31:32 +0000

i salute those brave men and women who continue the proud honor of the Marines.

may God deliver us from the hand of the enemy and ……… may God deliver our enemies, both abroad and at home, into our hands.

By: mорское

mорское — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:28:52 +0000

“They do seem, as a group, to be homophobes, racists and generally unquestioning of the myth of American “specialness”

and they say stupidity won’t fly. and yet, there it goes.

“Every organization has its own subculture. New members of the group are quickly indoctrinated with the message of the righteousness of the group’s particular culture. Over time, surrounded by constant reinforcement, most are bound to internalize the values of this or that group.”
to include socialist and communist? or does this just apply to beliefs that differ from yours?

and as far as American specialness …… you bet your bottom dollar lefty. with all of its flaws, the United States of America is still the greatest nation on the face of this earth.

“Witness the disaffected soldiers in Vietnam”
unless you are one ….. you have no concept.

and even though you have heard if before and probably decry the notion as have any meaning ……….. the Marines are a brotherhood, that even if you have a dissenting opinion or lifestyle, will stand and defend your right accordingly to that opinion and lifestyle …….. even unto death.

rant and rave all you want ……. the right to rant and rave grew from the blood of brave warriors. your right to dissent is shielded by the valor of brave warriors.

all of which you have no capability of understanding and sadly, you never will.

and tippy ……… you are not worth the time or effort. you use the stupidity of one poster to justify the slander of an honorable brotherhood.

“aberrant passive aggressive posters” hits you straight on you tippy head.

By: mike_brewer

mike_brewer — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:09:10 +0000

That was a joke leftfield, about deferring to General Jones. But then we all know that you cannot get intonations in postings or emails. I just thought the General, whom I do know btw, would handle the derogatory stuff better than I. My better angels were going on vacation there..

And thanks for the “less afflicted” comment. I am far from a rabid dyed in the wool Marine. Although I did serve two stints in Vietnam as a combat grunt and squad leader. Those who know me over the years will testify to my long time distaste for hard core partisanship. It serves no one but the SELF.

By: mike_brewer

mike_brewer — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:00:37 +0000

Tip,
You would do well for yourself by reporting your concerns to the Editor, Mark Evans. This is not the place for shared venting that is clearly way off topic.

By: mорское

mорское — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:04:21 +0000

and of course that throws me in the lot.

i doubt that romeo is in fact a Marine, mainly becasue of his reply.

but of course, that never cross your small mind.

By: leftfield

leftfield — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:31:02 +0000

Romeo and I have a “special” relationship based on shared ideals and mutual respect.

By: leftfield

leftfield — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:48:05 +0000

Maybe it’s another self-selecting process at work here, but Tip has a point about the marines and ex-marines who post here. They do seem, as a group, to be homophobes, racists and generally unquestioning of the myth of American “specialness”, among other things.

BTW, Mike, you generally seem less afflicted, but one of the subtexts of your comments is that you believe Tip’s comments are subversive; a threat to “American security” and worthy of reporting to the “proper authorities”.

I think a sociologist or a psychologist would be a better source of information about the effects of shared groups experiences. Asking another member of the same group is just asking for a biased answer.

Every organization has its own subculture. New members of the group are quickly indoctrinated with the message of the righteousness of the group’s particular culture. Over time, surrounded by constant reinforcement, most are bound to internalize the values of this or that group. It takes a certain type of individual and, often, a set of experiences that very strongly contradict what the individual has been taught for the individual to begin to question the values he/she has internalized. Witness the disaffected soldiers in Vietnam, ex-gang members or runaway teens from religious cults.